Talk:Banff, Alberta

Banff, Alberta was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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On 6 December 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Banff. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Comment

I'll come back to add some more detail to the town history

Nav Table

I rewrote the nav table based on an example at North Vancouver, British Columbia (City). I think it looks better but I can be persuaded otherwsie. In many ways, I would prefer just to have a list of neighouring towns/cities. Also, I inserted a <BR clear=all> which is necessary so that the thumbs don't overlap the table in my browser (Mozilla). At a minimum, this should be added to the other towns with a nav table. Al guy 20:24, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

Nice table. I was trying to keep a link to Calgary, as some may want to link to the next major city, without jumping throught the small towns, like the local bus route! What we need on the pages for communities is a template that lists other communiteis, like what is on the Winnipeg page4, but I am not that familiar with the language to add that yet.

I agree that having more than just the nearest town is preferable. How about going with something like this: (this numbers are pretty approximate)

==Surrounding Communities:==

East: Canmore (31 km), Exshaw, Calgary (133 km)
West: Lake Louise (50 km), Field (70 km)
South: Radium (130 km), Cranbrook (270 km)

Al guy 15:54, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Image

Would anyone mind if I replaced the photo of Banff with a clearer one. The one on the page is a tad blurry and not very clear. Ben W Bell 10:45, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Better photos are always appreciated. Although raised in Banff, it is the best I had, a slide then transfered to print.Glenlarson 16:52, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The logo is not up to date with the current town logo. Go to the town of Banff Website and it should be at the bottom.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.29.253.250 (talk • contribs) 16:03, May 23, 2007.

OK --Qyd 23:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Town of Banff logo needs to be updated, the current image is 3 years out of date. I can provide official logo (I am Town of Banff's web administrator), but don't know how to make the edit. Audioworld (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inserted the proper logo. Audioworld (talk) 22:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone please update the picture of banff avenue. Banff Avenue has finished constructing and its been 3 years since Banff Refreshing. Please Update. Indeceased 16:52, 6 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Table

I added a table to the right hand side much in the way that US cities are done. I did it in HTML format since I find Wiki's format a little more difficult to use and modify. I think the way I have laid out the HTML table will make it simple to alter :). I also added a map. I'm not happy with it, but it is the best I could draw. Does anyone else have a better map? Cadillac 01:33, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cap on growth

I was told the last time I was there that anyone who can show descent from a resident in 1910 (ie before the establishment of the park authority) also has the legal right to settle. Is that correct? It would account for the excellent service I got from the municipal office indexing and locating the graves in the town cemetery. Richard Pinch 12:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Need to check facts

The picture is NOT of Banff avenue, it's of an intersection that crosses Banff Ave. That's Cascade Plaza, the only part of Banff Ave visible is the blockades on the left of the picture. Just sayin'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.152.179 (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Need to reside requirement link

That link is broken. Rybu (talk) 18:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Internment Camps

The article should mention that Banff was built by World War I internment camp prisoners. Two internment camps were located there from 1914 to 1920, one at Castle Mountain and the other in town adjacent to the Cave and Basin National Historic Site.184.147.236.183 (talk) 05:45, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Banff, Alberta

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Banff, Alberta's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "envcan":

From Beaverlodge: "Canadian Climate Normals 1971–2000". Environment Canada. Retrieved 23 January 2012.
From Bowden, Alberta: "Canadian Climate Normals 1961-1990". Environment Canada. Retrieved January 23, 2012.
From Calgary: "Calgary INT'L A". Canadian Climate Normals 1981-2010. Environment Canada. Retrieved September 6, 2013.
From Athabasca, Alberta: "Canadian Climate Normals 1971–2000". Environment Canada. Retrieved 23 January 2012.
From Fort Saskatchewan: "Canadian Climate Normals 1971–2000". Environment Canada. Retrieved 19 Augaust 2012. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistency with George Stephen page

The Banff page says "The area was named Banff in 1884 by George Stephen, president of the Canadian Pacific Railway, recalling his birthplace in Banff, Scotland." However, the page about George Stephen says he was born in Dufftown, Scotland. Dufftown and Banff are some 30 miles apart. However, Dufftown is in what was historically named Banffshire (otherwise referred to the County of Banff). I don't know the reason for the inconsistency, so I haven't proposed a correction so much as left it open for someone that knows more about the history of George Stephen and Banff.

Teuchy (talk) 01:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)teuchy[reply]

Requested move 6 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Most comments seem to be saying that disambiguation is not required (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 07:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Banff, Alberta → Banff
Banff → Banff (disambiguation)

– The dabpage is essentially Banff, Alberta; Banff, Aberdeenshire; and a bunch of PTMs. Of the two, the Canadian town gets about 90% of pageviews[1], and is the primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 16:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Banff National Park is quite notable; I've added a hatnote. 162 etc. (talk) 16:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted that: "Banff, Alberta" is not ambiguous and the National Park is wikilinked in the first sentence. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose by long-term significance due to the fact the Canadian one is named after the Scottish one though the Scottish one has around half population than the Canadian one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:DPT: "Being the original source of the name is also not determinative." See Boston and Boston, Lincolnshire. 162 etc. (talk) 17:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Scottish one is the county town of Banffshire which would probably qualify for long-term significance. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I only ever heard of the national park, I wouldn't think the town has primacy over it, but I haven't researched this matter yet. WikiNav for October indicates a lack of a primary topic, because the identifiable clicks to the town are large but just 280 out of 603/621 which is less than half. --Joy (talk) 14:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "Outgoing pageviews" according to this WikiNav link are over 65% to Banff, Alberta, which is indeed more than all other articles combined. Banff National Park comes in at 18%, and Banff, Aberdeenshire at 12%. 162 etc. (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@162 etc. you're being misdirected by the bad graph implementation of the WikiNav software. The Outgoing pageviews graph and the top line number do not show the filtered clickstreams. It's showing the certain data, and hiding the uncertain data, thereby creating an illusion of certainty. The software isn't being fixed because it was a one-time project that is effectively orphaned.

There were 417 identifiable clickstreams, and another 204 that were anonymized, so in total there were actually 621 clickstreams. We just don't know how many of the 204 went to the town, and with the typical distribution of data points it's more likely this contains a long tail (clicks between many smaller items, as opposed to just leftovers from the few big items). --Joy (talk) 09:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a dubious methodology. If the anonymized clicks cannot be identified, then they cannot be included in the average. 162 etc. (talk) 17:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is dubious about it? If a huge chunk of data is anonymized and cannot be identified, then a proper average cannot be calculated at all. --Joy (talk) 08:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of the 417 identifiable clickstreams, 280 (or 67%) went to Banff, Alberta. I'll let the readers of this discussion interpret that as they may. 162 etc. (talk) 17:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can't assert dubious methodology and then proceed to apparently cherry-pick a statistic that looks nice.

Anyway, I just left an elaborate example at Talk:Pavlova (dessert) that tries to explain why I think this about distributions of clicks. --Joy (talk) 19:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How is this cherry picking? I've included all the measurable data. 162 etc. (talk) 20:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:12, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Canadian Wikipedians' notice board, WikiProject Canada/The 10,000 Challenge, WikiProject Alberta, and WikiProject Canadian communities have been notified of this discussion. Feeglgeef (talk) 05:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per several above. Disambiguation is better here. Dicklyon (talk) 04:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Keep the status quo: any primary topic is not sufficiently clear. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The percentage of outgoing wikinavs is not really significant when you compare it to the overwhelming number of people who find it via the current AT. With 33% of people hitting the DAB page going elsewhere, that is not enough to make it the PT here. TiggerJay (talk) 08:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.